Re: [rtcweb] H.261

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Fri, 22 November 2013 20:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.261
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Um


On Nov 22, 2013, at 11:26 , Ron <ron@debian.org> wrote:

> For the people who say they can't use VP8, the problem is much as you
> describe, "maybe some mugger will spring out of the hedges", despite
> the protections provided by its licencing.

It’s much worse than that.  The IETF has a formal “will not license” on the table, and there are active lawsuits.  For most standards bodies, a “will not license” statement requires an analysis, and removal of technology as needed.  Now, it may be that the analysis and lawsuits end up revealing that the patents do not, in fact, read.  But we cannot just assume that.

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.