Re: [rtcweb] H.261

Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com> Sat, 23 November 2013 21:06 UTC

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On 11/23/13 8:39 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> On 11/23/13 05:08, Lorenzo Miniero wrote:
>> If no one has a clue either, then, why make the 100k point in the 
>> first place?
>
> Because the situation you're describing is applicable to only a tiny 
> sliver of the people involved in this space. If you have a question 
> about the corner cases, you need to ask experts. I'm sorry we can't 
> optimize your corner cases to the detriment of the normal ones, but 
> that's just good engineering practice.
Why is open source distributing model a corner case? Or can you detail 
who are you counting in this tiny sliver?

Afaik, you are now working for Mozilla Foundation, thus Firefox, the 
open source browser. Without a call home (or to Cisco in this case), 
would you be able to count how many copies of Firefox are distributed 
out there?

For sake of clarification, 100 000 or higher/lower makes no difference 
from my point of view, it is exposing everything to more troubles that 
what it solves. It keeps all the things trapped, so if something is 
getting popular or competing with cisco (or mpeg-la), it can be screwed 
easily. And this can go beyond the financial matter.

Daniel

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