Re: [rtcweb] H.261
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> Sun, 24 November 2013 16:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.261
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* Stefan Slivinski: > Alright fast forward, Chrome adds H.261 but continues to use VP8. > IE uses H.261 and H.264, Safari uses H.261 and H.264 and Firefox > does H.261, H.264 and VP8. So far so good. Chrome can talk using > VP8 to Firefox, Safari can talk H.264 to IE, Firefox can either > H.264 or VP8 to everyone. As long as Chrome users don't try to call > IE or Safari, we're in good shape, otherwise we need to transcode > using some undefined cloud based transcoder service or just use > H.261. Or use a WebRTC implementation which is written in Actionscript and thus has access to Chrome's existing H.264 support: <http://www.adobe.com/devnet/adobe-media-server/articles/encoding-live-video-h264.html> I don't think availability of licensed H.264 implementations is a problem. It's just that the MPEG LA licensing conditions date back to the early 2000s and it's totally unclear how they'll translate to WebRTC application developers and commercial end users. (If you don't believe me, go and read Adobe's Flash Player 11 licensing agreement.)
- [rtcweb] H.261 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Steve Kann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Hrishikesh Kulkarni
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Hrishikesh Kulkarni
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote is n… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Engel Nyst
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Florian Weimer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Steve Kann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Florian Weimer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron