Re: [rtcweb] H.261
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> Sun, 24 November 2013 17:04 UTC
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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.261
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* Eric Rescorla: > Seriously? May I ask whether you have read the summary terms at: > http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/avc/Documents/AVC_TermsSummary.pdf > > They seem relatively clear on this point: > "(a decoder, encoder, or product consisting of one decoder and one encoder > = “unit”)" > > More importantly, do you seriously think anyone would license H.264 for > a product if you had to pay $.10 every time the product started up. It's unclear if a WebRTC application that is distributed on demand would fall into that category if it is capable of using H.264. The MPEG LA licensing scheme was devised when this kind of use was not common. Also note the lack of reference to mobile devices. It's also not clear what kind of license commercial use of H.264-based WebRTC applications by end users would need. They don't fall into either of the top-level category. (The fact that MPEG LA is apparently not structured in a way that enables it to grant clearcut licenses to commercial users of videoconferencing solutions doesn't mean they are exempted from obtaining licenses.)
- [rtcweb] H.261 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Steve Kann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Hrishikesh Kulkarni
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Hrishikesh Kulkarni
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote is n… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Opinions are fine, bypassing a vote … Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Engel Nyst
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 bryandonnovan
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Stefan Slivinski
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Florian Weimer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Steve Kann
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Florian Weimer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 - taking a longer view of thin… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 Ron