Re: [v6ops] Flash renumbering
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Sat, 19 September 2020 06:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Flash renumbering
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On 18/9/20 23:13, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 19-Sep-20 09:21, Ole Troan wrote: >> >> >>> On 18 Sep 2020, at 22:57, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 19-Sep-20 05:11, Gyan Mishra wrote: >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> I really still feel this use case being Broadband provider PD related stale prefix issue is really a corner case for SOHO users >>> >>> Why is that a "corner case"? We can count SOHO networks by the hundreds of millions, compared with enterprise networks in millions. They both matter, but SOHOs are about two orders of magnitude greater in number. >> >> Corner case because Service Providers generally do not flash renumber their customers. > > Can you put a percentage on that? Where I live, they do, whenever there's a glitch on the local loop, even if the local loop is made of glass. Same here. FWIW, I'm manually setting PL to 15' and VL to 30' as a way to cope with flash renumbering events. In any case, when so many things need to happen and work in a certain way for the network to be usable, that's arguing for broken design. And that doesn't seem to align well with the goal that "the network works as long as there's a working path between source and destination". Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
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