Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Sat, 13 February 2021 21:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
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On 13/2/21 18:33, Fernando Gont wrote: > On 13/2/21 18:17, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 13-Feb-21 22:19, Fernando Gont wrote: >> ... >>> Well, whether we call it out or not, as per RFC4007: >>> >>> scope(LL) < scope(ULA) < scope(GUA) >> >> And there's the fallacy. This inequality only makes sense if >> reachability is strictly a matter of concentric circles. It isn't. >> Nice math, but not reality. >> >> Slide 4 of https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~brian/scope6.pdf > > I don't follow. In all of your slides Area(link-local) < Area(ULA) < > Area(global).... I assume that the "site" refers to the (deprecated) "site-local" addresses, and what you try to point out in slide #4 is that it's at odda with RFC4007, which specifies there can only be one zone for each scope. However, I consider *that* requirement rather flawed. Slide #4 could indeed be the case where a node attaches to a subnet where .e.g two different routers advertise different ULA prefixes -- and one or the two of them also advertises global prefixes. Each shaded "site" constitutes a different layer (as in John Day's PNA). In principle, hosts on each of the shaded sites cannot reach hosts on the other shaded site (since they are in different layers). But all can communicate via the global layer. Not sure what'd be the problem with that... -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
- [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addres… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… John Kristoff
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Yucel Guven
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering