Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvknet.com> Thu, 24 October 2013 20:45 UTC
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:45:15 -0400
From: Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvknet.com>
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Thread-Topic: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
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Mark, On 2013-10-24 3:44 PM, "Mark ZZZ Smith" <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > >RAs should be limited to configuring layer 3 IPv6 parameters only, >solving the network layer configuration problem, on a per link/subnet >basis. Different links can have different layer 3 parameters, so the >place to provide those parameters is on a per-link basis, using a >link-local protocol. > >DHCPv6 should be limited to providing primarily application parameters >(and perhaps layer 4 parameters) to hosts, solving the end-to-end >configuration problem. This problem exists regardless of the network >layer parameters, and the parameters for applications are not restricted >to being subnet specific, they're more likely to be global across the >network, so a solution needs to be subnet/link-local protocol independent. > >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-v6ops-ce-dhcpv6-transparency-00#sec >tion-2 > I am not arguing against these points, but have a few questions and comments to this approach. Based on the approach above, it appears that in the model you describe, DHCPv6 would not provide layer 3 addresses to end hosts (from the position of many operators, that's the first router or host behind their access facility). It this in fact what you are thinking, I believe there are a number of issues that should be considered to that approach (if this is not what you are describing, then ignore my next few statements). Pushing addressing to the operators edge would effectively decentralize addressing in large operator networks. This may introduce significant challenges for those operators (often managing millions of endpoints). Also, pushing more work the the edge routers should be done with caution. Edge routers are already becoming bogged down with code, and adding more state and/or work for that device can exasperate this issue (sometimes it takes months to over a year to get a code drop which can actually be put into production). Pushing the configuration to a centralized function like DHCP has definite advantages in larger operators environments, providing the ability to manage very large infrastructures. It also provides them an ability to standardize addressing across many different access types and/or platform versions. If we push this function to the edge, then we will need to chase many vendors constantly, to keep up with the needs of this function. Keeping the edge simple, and allowing the centralized functions to take on the task of addressing and administering many of these configuration functions makes the infrastructure much more manageable (and in my experience, more stable which translates into a better user experience). Of course, I am only talking about one (significant) use case, and any changes and/or agreement on what to do with DHCPv6 and/or RAs needs to take in to account all the use cases. Regards, Victor K >
- [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-… fred
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: n… Liubing (Leo)
- [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: n… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ole Troan (otroan)
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Wuyts Carl
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Wuyts Carl
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Xing Li
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Xing Li
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Xing Li
- [v6ops] Comments on draft-sun-v6ops-openv6-addres… meng.wei2
- Re: [v6ops] Comments on draft-sun-v6ops-openv6-ad… Qiong
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Weil, Jason
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Weil, Jason
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Brian Haberman
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- [v6ops] Link layer lossage [DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hos… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Link layer lossage [DHCPv6/SLAAC Make… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Weil, Jason
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhc… 神明達哉