Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)
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در تاریخ دوشنبه ۲ اوت ۲۰۲۱، ۱:۰۷ Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> نوشت: > > Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> wrote: > > *a "temporary mute" mode that keeps the audio stream open:* > > > This is still an issue for me. I often mute myself while chairing > so I > > can take notes without my keyboard sound interrupting the chat - but > it > > means that I can't easily respond to somebody because the rejigging > of > > the audio channel not only creates a hiccup in the incoming audio > feed > > which means I might miss something someone says, but it also creates > > enough of a delay that by the time I could have responded the other > > party's mental state has moved on. > > Yes, the 3s on/off latency on the audio is a problem. > So one should use a local mute instead, which of course, then causes > confusion. > > > Timing is really important in conversation and we're already fighting > > with the quarter second delay imposed by the size of the planet. > > Additional delay makes it unwieldy. > > Ah... I know of a genetically spliced lab mouse with a plan to reduce the > size of the planet. > > > *allow multiple connections by the same person to the same session:* > > > I have multiple times wanted to switch device temporarily - from my > > desktop computer to a phone / ipad so I can temporarily move to > another > > location while continuing to follow a meeting. Multiple connection > > support would mean I could switch over without a break. > > It seems like a stretch requirement, but I also know that some chairs want > a > second laptop so that they can see whether slides are really advancing. > What I don't understand is, 16 months into pandemic, and 10 years into > screen > sharing, how it is that PPT people don't understand that they have to "F5" > before they share. > > > Sure it could be abused by people "sharing" a login, but that would > be > > pretty obvious if both parties tried to participate, and given that > we > > allow fee waivers anyway, it's unlikely to be abused significantly. > > Sure there are Jabber naming issues, but we can avoid that by giving > > each jabber name with a serial number (which I believe already > happens > > now?) > > Yes. Actually, the ephermalness of the jabber names annoys me, as I can't > message people after they have left. > > > *information about who is speaking in the same place as video feeds* > > The video image does do the yellow square when they are speaking. > > > See my previous email :) Basically the "participant list" should > just > > be an ordered list of participants and only needs to be switched to > > when seeing who is in the call or opening an individual message to > them > > (and people don't get moved out of order when they're sending > > something). The "who is sending something" list should be all > together > > with the video, and chairs pinned even if they're sending nothing > right > > now. > > I think that I need a picture. > As my meetecho windows are more vertical than horizontal, I'd also like to > be > able to move the video boxes to be under the slides. > see: https://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/IETF111-virtual-SFO-two-sessions.png > > > Along with visual indicators of "currently sending audio" on people > so > > we know who of those with their audio channel open are currently > > speaking, this makes it easier to look in one place to see the source > > of all sound, and eyes can generally flit between the right hand side > > (video and audio indicators) and the slides, without needing to also > > track via the participant list. > > I think that it would also work better for the youtube recording. > > > *flexible "assign chair"**:* > > > This one hasn't come up in practice, but the chairs for meetings are > > pre-assigned from datatracker. It would be great for ADs and the > > meetecho reps in each meeting to be able to upgrade anybody to a > chair > > role or remove a chair role with a simple click. > > That's a good idea. > And with that power, they should be able to advance slides, no matter who > activated them. > > > This has become less important with the ability for individuals to > turn > > on both audio and video themselves, so the chair is going less > busywork > > just approving access, but it would be good to make it possible for > > someone else to step into the chair if the regular chairs are unable > to > > attend or lose network, rather than making the meeting less able to > > run. > > I'd like the chair to be able to pre-authorize sharing and slides. > Actually, the way I'd implement is that the chair(s) just get to decide who > of the possibly many screen-sharing/slides that are occuring, who is > actually > shared. > > That lets people (a) test their setup in advance of their slot, > (b) reduce the time to switch. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > > -- > 111attendees mailing list > 111attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees >
- [111attendees] Positive observations and proposal… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [111attendees] Positive observations and prop… Nigel Hickson
- Re: [111attendees] Positive observations and prop… Meetecho IETF support
- Re: [111attendees] Positive observations and prop… Bron Gondwana
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Michael Richardson
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Jonathan Morton
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Michael Richardson
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] Positive observations and prop… gang Antgam
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Meetecho IETF support
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Meetecho IETF support
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Meetecho IETF support
- Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive obser… Spencer Dawkins at IETF