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Re: [112attendees] Plenary last week - missed

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 09 November 2021 19:09 UTC

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 20:09:33 +0100
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: "Borchert, Oliver (Fed)" <oliver.borchert=40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, "112attendees@ietf.org" <112attendees@ietf.org>, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>, "Borchert, Oliver (Fed)" <oliver.borchert@nist.gov>
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Subject: Re: [112attendees] Plenary last week - missed
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I don't think that a clash was overlooked is showing a failure of the experiment.
It is a failure of execution, but having the plenary and HotRFC in the week
in before the other meetings might still be useful. Maybe one can think of that
week becoming something like the "free IETF week" to also attract more newcomers
before they decide they want to do real work.

Whether we will be able to avoid future conflicts if we want to go to such 2 full
weeks is of course a different question. Makes it more difficult i fear.

Toerless

On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 06:57:32PM +0000, Borchert, Oliver (Fed) wrote:
> +1, I agree with Jared,
> 
> Oliver
> 
> On 11/9/21, 1:33 PM, "112attendees on behalf of Jared Mauch" <112attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> 
>     I consider the experiment a failure btw.
> 
>     > On Nov 9, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > 
>     > Alex,
>     > 
>     > This was announced on September 2 "Proposed Experiment for IETF 112: Moving the Plenary”.
>     > 
>     > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fietf-announce%2Fz3FZnHmcuxDevC4BkmoY8I89yPk%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Coliver.borchert%40nist.gov%7C0eabbeb3ce2a4c250c5e08d9a3af6247%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C637720795959633881%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JFyiLn9E0wOVWIkI0rOJwVp%2FKqf9gs1%2FRPymcqL30O4%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>     > I didn’t attend.
> 
>     I did not either, it did not consult this list (for example).
> 
>     https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fhow%2Fmeetings%2Fplanning%2Fclash-list%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Coliver.borchert%40nist.gov%7C0eabbeb3ce2a4c250c5e08d9a3af6247%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C637720795959633881%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qVlWnq3%2BwRTKlbW24%2FbkkxUWnzYXW87zpmfDLq%2BLnpw%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>     There’s some other issues that happened around the meeting as well which cause me to have this opinion.
> 
>     - Jared
> 
>     > 
>     > Bob
>     > 
>     > 
>     >> On Nov 9, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> wrote:
>     >> 
>     >> I missed the Plenary last week, because I didnt expect it there.
>     >> 
>     >> This time IETF meeting is so strange.  It spans two weeks time with importnat things in the first week, including the Plenary, but the WG meetings are in the second week.
>     >> 
>     >> All these discussions we had in shmoo WG about online or not online and I did not see any sign about Plenary being in the first week.
>     >> 
>     >> All these discussions about which 3-4 time slots are best around the world, which UTC ways to refer to them, etc, and I missed the Plenary.
>     >> 
>     >> Sigh...
>     >> 
>     >> Alex
>     >> 
>     >> 
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