Re: [112attendees] Plenary last week -

Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> Wed, 10 November 2021 15:20 UTC

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e 10/11/2021 à 15:41, Livingood, Jason a écrit :
> I agree with Joel - no one can offer such a guarantee. The best 
> decision if someone wishes to be 100% certain is to attend the 
> meeting online. I think the online participant experience will be a 
> great one as well.

Ok, but a person who does not want to attend in-person because of fear
of covid will appreciate to make part of a same 'organisaiton' of other
people who do not fear the covid?

When the virus surfaced in China we spent many months to think that it's
happening there, not here.  Then it came to Italy and we thought the
same.  In the end it reached here too.

So, would one participate remotely to a meeting made of people who do
not fear covid but whom by their very in-person meeting action might
help spread the virus, instead of stopping it?

Wouldnt that person fear that a remote butterfly in Tokyo provokes a
hurricane in Beijing?

Alex

> 
> Jason
> 
> On 11/10/21, 09:37, "112attendees on behalf of Joel M. Halpern" 
> <112attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jmh@joelhalpern.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I find your phrasing misleading. No one can offer a guarantee of 
> non-spread.  Ever.  We do not guarantee you will not catch the flu
> at an IETF meeting.  Or any other communicable disease. Even when (I 
> hope it is a "when") this pandemic has finally faded to low levels, 
> there will be no guarantees.
> 
> 
> Yours, Joel
> 
> On 11/10/2021 9:26 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:
>> Le 10/11/2021 à 13:56, Andrew Campling a écrit :
>>> On 10. 11. 21 12:45, Petr Špacek wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As a second data point (obviously anecdotal): I'm heads-down
>>>> in DNS stuff and don't follow internal IETF policies or shmoo 
>>>> discussions, and still I had no problem finding out about 
>>>> Plenary being a week earlier. In fact I remember seeing the 
>>>> information at least three times - despite me ignoring plenary 
>>>> on purpose:
>>> 
>>> I also saw multiple notifications of the change in the
>>> scheduling of the plenary plus explanations of the reasons behind
>>> the experiment. It seemed pretty well publicised to me and in
>>> good time to allow for diary adjustments etc, noting that
>>> attendance would not be possible for everyone and that (I hope)
>>> the post-meeting review will reflect on the pros and cons of the 
>>> approach.
>>> 
>>> Separately, I trust that the plenary will take place during the 
>>> week of the main meeting in IETF 113, assuming that there is an 
>>> in-person element for this meeting.
>> 
>> I think that, unless the organizers consider offering guarantees of
>> non-spread, there could be an important point to make that we want
>> first and foremost to not spread and hence not to meet.
>> 
>> Of course, we could also want to meet even if we help the spread, 
>> but in an advantageous ratio.
>> 
>> We might also think that it is those who invite that must make sure
>> there is no spread, or we might think that it is the responsibility
>> of those who come to ensure that.
>> 
>> (this 'no spread' aspect comes to my mind personally after having 
>> some ups and downs between optimism and pesimism about vaccines, 
>> treatments, tests, mechanical, biological, electronic solutions)
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>> 
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