Re: [112attendees] WG followup discussions in gather.town (was: Re: HotRFC Gather followup)

[Christian Huitema <[e-mail]>]

On 11/8/2021 1:06 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> But right now, i think the mayority of participants are too lazy to
>>> give gather.town enough playtime that they would start to see
>>> benefits *sigh*
>> Gather gets better at almost every IETF meeting (modulo Randy's
>> observation about spyware, etc.), so it's getting easier to find
>> someone or something that you need to run into, but definitely having
>> things in Gather that give people a reason to pop in would help with
>> that.
> imiho, putting any ietf act worthy of the note well MUST NOT be behind
> a spy-wall.  that we are allowing this is really unbelievable.

+1.

I understand that running tools has costs, and that this has to be paid 
for. There are at least two valid options. First, whoever provides the 
tool eats the costs, maybe because using the IETF participants will be a 
great test of their tools, or maybe because it will increase the 
visibility of these tools. Second, the IETF pays for using the tools. 
What is not an option is a quid-pro-quo in which the provider supplies 
the tools and the IETF supplies targets for surveillance capitalism.

-- Christian Huitema