Re: [112attendees] WG followup discussions in gather.town (was: Re: HotRFC Gather followup)

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Spencer: 

"Request For Collaborators" is very nice. Maybe rename from HotRFC to RFCollab or
the like. [Insert standard rant how today, drafts are the real RFC]

I think that the goal of "awareness" at early stages of the document is
good. But i specifically liked the opportunity for actual discssion,
which was new with the gather.town instance vs. prior HotRFC. This may
not be the original intent, but it very worth keeping IMHO.

My point was that the same type of discussions we did have in HotRFC this
time where also core element of WGs on the hallways, and we should try to
also enable them as well.

But right now, i think the mayority of participants are too lazy to
give gather.town enough playtime that they would start to see benefits *sigh*

Cheers
    Toerless

On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 09:21:04AM -0600, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> I wanted to follow up on one point Toerless mentioned.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 3:46 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, HotRFC area is nice, but i think we should want to give good guidance
> > also to any WG related discussions in gather.town. Mine is this:
> >
> 
> When we started HotRFC ("request for conversations"), the goal was to allow
> literally anyone with an Internet-related idea to get in front of the IETF
> community at the beginning of the IETF meeting week, so that people had the
> full IETF meeting to chase the presenters down.
> 
> We were thinking that many of these would be ideas that weren't baked
> enough to request a BOF, or propose to a WG, so the reason to give a
> 4-minute talk was to find other people who cated, and were willing to help
> you develop your ideas further (the abbreviation could have just as well
> been "Request for Collaborators"), and tell them how to find you (could be
> email, could be a side meeting, could be something else).
> 
> Aaron (and the IESG sponsors) haven't run a vetting function for HotRFC
> slots, so people have also spoken, saying "I'm going to be presenting this
> new thing in this working group/research group meeting, so if you care, you
> probably want to come and participate there". At least that was the
> expectation in 2018.
> 
> *Now that we are heavily meeting remotely, and are likely to be in hybrid
> meetings for the foreseeable future, *it's probably worth thinking about
> how people find out about new topics that have moved beyond "half-baked
> idea I wrote on a napkin and sent slides to Aaron". If you're already on
> the right mailing lists, you'd probably know about many of these things,
> but that doesn't get you the kind of early cross-area awareness that we
> think makes the IETF different from other standards organizations.
> 
> And I mean cross-area awareness, not cross-area review.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Spencer
> 
> 
> > I would also recommend all WG/RG chairs to make themselves available after
> > their
> > sessions in gather.town (as their time permits). Even if they themselves
> > may be busy in another session, a chairs (away) avatar is always a good
> > place to seek
> > out followup discussions in gather.town after a WG/RG meeting. Same as
> > what happens
> > in in-person IETFs after a WG meeting.
> >
> > It is extremely easy to locate a person in gather.town:
> > - clock on participants
> > - find your person (e.g.: wg chair).
> > - click on that person, click on follow
> > - now your avatar will by itself walk to that persons avatar
> > - click again on the person and click on "Stop following"
> >
> > Cheers
> >     Toerless
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 05:48:20AM -0700, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> > > I liked be able to talk to the author without the stress of having to
> > formulate my questions right after the presentation, so Gather was nice for
> > that, and I would suggest to continue using the same format after fixing
> > the slowdown when a lot of people were on the floor.  I would also prefer
> > to watch the presentations directly on Gather rather than on YouTube, after
> > the problem of hearing other conversations is fixed.  A way to show that
> > someone is interacting with video and other Gather objects would be nice
> > too.
> > >
> > > On 11/6/21 05:38, Deb Cooley wrote:
> > > > I liked the YouTube idea for the actual presentation.  I could watch it
> > > > more than once to understand the ideas better.
> > > >
> > > > The Gather room part for discussion didn't work for me.  I'd suggest
> > going
> > > > back to Meetecho for the discussion part.  It could be a two step
> > process -
> > > > watch the YouTube videos 'session', then a Meetecho session to discuss.
> > > >
> > > > Deb Cooley
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 8:37 AM Alexandre PETRESCU <
> > [e-mail]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For the 'what should change' part - I suggest to make it work ok
> > fully on
> > > > > IPv6.  Last time I checked it worked only partially on IPv6: the
> > sound
> > > > > quality was worse on IPv6, some buttons on left could not be clicked
> > on
> > > > > IPv6, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Alexandre [e-mail], tél [phone]
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 03/11/2021 à 17:33, Aaron Falk a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > An update & 2 questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Update:* The secretariat confirms that the HotRFC “rooms” will
> > remain up
> > > > > and available for your use through the end of the IETF next week.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Questions:*
> > > > >
> > > > >     1. Should we use Gather to do this again?
> > > > >     2. If so, what should we change?
> > > > >
> > > > > --aaron
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marc Petit-Huguenin
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> > > Blog: https://marc.petit-huguenin.org
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> >
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