Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
Michael Menth <menth@uni-tuebingen.de> Tue, 16 March 2021 19:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
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Hi Jeffrey, all, your proposal was also the conclusion two years ago when I brought up the topic in the working group: "The BIER FRR mechanism - be it tunnel-based or re-implementing LFAs on the BIER layer - is a local mechanism and does not require cooperation from other nodes. Probably both mechanisms can be even mixed within the same network. Therefore, there is not need for standardization." I think this is not documented in any IETF drafts or even meeting minutes, it was just a conclusion from some side meetings. That was also the reason why we did not progress the draft on tunnel-based bier-frr. Nevertheless, it may be helpful to at least document both existing bier-frr approaches as an informational draft so that manufacturers can easily point to an implemented solution. This is helpful as both solutions have pros and cons. A lot of contents is already in that paper in which we summarized our understanding of the discussions two years ago: https://atlas.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~menth/papers/Menth20c.pdf Some of its content may be useful for an overview draft of bier-frr methods. Regards Michael Am 16.03.2021 um 19:23 schrieb Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang: > If you consider BIFT and unicast FIB, they are actually very similar > (ignoring the SI/sub-domain and bier label aspects). The only > differences are: > > > > 1. (bfr-id % bitstringLength) or prefix as key > 2. F-BM associated with a BFR-nbr in BIFT > > > > Each BIFT entry is built according how to reach a corresponding BFER, > and the F-BM is obtained by setting the bits for all the BFERs that are > reached by the BFR nbr. > > > > So, however you do FRR for unicast (LFA or tunnel based link/node > protection or whatever) and whether it is IGP or BGP or whatever, you > can just build the BIER FRR forwarding state the same way, and update > the F-BM for the backup nbr accordingly. > > > > That’s why I keep saying that there is not much to standardize on BIER > FRR. It seems that this topic keeps coming up, so perhaps I should write > an information draft to elaborate the above principle and how it works > with various protection mechanisms. > > > > Jeffrey > > > > *From:* BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of * Huaimo Chen > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:28 PM > *To:* Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> > *Cc:* bier@ietf.org; Michael Menth <menth@uni-tuebingen.de> > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02 > > > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > Even though there is IGP running in the network and the underlay IP > FRR is provided, the BIER FRR seems still needed. All the BIER packets > are forwarded using the BIFTs. They are not forwarded using the normal > FIBs with IP FRR support. When a failure happens in the network, the > BIER packets will still be forwarded using the old BIFTs without > considering the failure until the old BIFT is recomputed and updated > based on the new network topology after the failure. During this period > (from the time of the failure to the time at which the BIFTs are > updated), the BIER packets may be lost. > > > > Best Regards, > > Huaimo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com <mailto:tonysietf@gmail.com>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 12:58 PM > *To:* Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com > <mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>> > *Cc:* Michael Menth <menth@uni-tuebingen.de > <mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de>>; bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org> > <bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02 > > > > we need a framework here ;-) > > > > when IGP calculates the underlying FRR it's always a better solution. > Nothing is faster than IGP and anything calculated as "better FRR" or > "backup FRR" will not have the topology to do a better job/faster than > IGP can. So AFAIS the only real use case here is BIER without IGP > signalling but correct me if I'm wrong > > > > -- tony > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 5:02 PM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com > <mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>> wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > > > Thanks much for your valuable comments. > > My responses are inline below with prefix [HC]. > > > > Best Regards, > > Huaimo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org>> > on behalf of Michael Menth <menth@uni-tuebingen.de > <mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 7:11 AM > *To:* bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org> <bier@ietf.org > <mailto:bier@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02 > > > > Hi Tony, all, > > Am 16.03.2021 um 11:08 schrieb Tony Przygienda: > > > I think it's a good addition within the architecture for the case > IGP is > > not used for signalling, e.g. when controller or static programming. > > Right. The solution may make sense if the routing underlay does not > offer FRR capabilities. > > > > [HC]: When the routing underlay supports IP FRR, the BIER should also > > provide BIER FRR since the BIER packets are forwarded using the BIFTs. > > When failures happen in the network, the BIER packets are still > forwarded > > using the old BIFTs until the old BIFTs are updated according to the > > updated network topology after the failures. > > > > > > The draft must however explain in what scenarios it is used and quote > > the according IGP drafts to guarantee loop-free behavior (well, BIER > > will tie-break loops but we'll have 1x microloop & possibly not > deliver > > payload if BIER FRR is not properly computed/intsalled). With that the > > draft should also pay attention to how the function is > deployed/updated > > network-wide if IGP is not present > > I agree. in the absence of an IGP, the "native BIER-FRR on bier layer" > must be set by a controller. > > > > [HC]: I agree too. > > So, below the line, an applicability statement would be helpful. What > are those cases? > - IGP running but without FRR on the routing underlay? > - No IGP and no FRR on the routing underlay? > > > > [HC]: When IGP is running in the network, each BFR in the network > calculates, > > installs and/or updates its BIER FRR BIFTs. The BIER FRR in the > draft is > > independent of the underlay IP FRR. > > When no IGP is running in the network, the BIER controller for the > network > > calculates, installs and/or updates the BIER FRR BIFTs into BFRs in > the network, > > regardless of whether the routing underlay FRR is provided. > > > > However, if the controller takes care of BIER-FRR, what could be reasons > for missing FRR on the routing underlay? If there is a FRR on the > routing underlay (also provided through a controller), tunnel-based > bier-frr solves the problem in a transparent way. > > > > [HC]: The BIER FRR in the draft is independent of the underlay IP FRR. > > Regardless of whether the routing underlay FRR is provided, the > > BIER FRR BIFTs are computed in the same way. > > BTW, we studied protection variants for controller-based infrastructures > (for routing underlays, not for BIER). Challenge is to keep state low. > LFA-based solutions help a lot and outperform others. 100% protection is > possible with only little additions. Results are available: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:%2F%2Fatlas.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de%2F~menth%2Fpapers%2FMenth20-Sub-6.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C5d3cb8163c7f4a1557e608d8e86c408f%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637514898966623524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=03cc%2BIvdV%2BCg%2F0PCFulWzuCa0h4I5sBqn8K5QPT5BR8%3D&reserved=0 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:*2F*2Fatlas.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de*2F*menth*2Fpapers*2FMenth20-Sub-6.pdf&data=04*7C01*7Chuaimo.chen*40futurewei.com*7C2b86f5e805f04cf24c1008d8e89cdcd4*7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc*7C1*7C1*7C637515107733090092*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=CNKcultin43VrTAvr*2BFH7V1FrMALSvaSpfmEiHcKm*2Fg*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlfiUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!NEt6yMaO-gk!SBpWq7LIP13dlIX5P6U98cqIp8gTMP5_gelzA7rNyBrhf7h6mMn6N6YLFKhaK3F2$> > (under > revision) > > > > [HC]: Thanks much for your information. > > > > Regards, > > Michael > > > > > thanks > > > > -- tony > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:41 AM <zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn > <mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn> > > <mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn <mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn>>> > wrote: > > > > A 2-week WG adoption call begins for the following draft: > > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-chen-bier-frr%2F&data=04%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C5d3cb8163c7f4a1557e608d8e86c408f%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637514898966623524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=797z0ndM2IahVL2y9xPoY%2BOU5x4%2F3w1FaSWfoF%2BC6pQ%3D&reserved=0 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fdatatracker.ietf.org*2Fdoc*2Fdraft-chen-bier-frr*2F&data=04*7C01*7Chuaimo.chen*40futurewei.com*7C2b86f5e805f04cf24c1008d8e89cdcd4*7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc*7C1*7C1*7C637515107733090092*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=4v2q4ToPT83pQYu5Fdwpc04pIcWrlihqy5m8YjgkVMA*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!NEt6yMaO-gk!SBpWq7LIP13dlIX5P6U98cqIp8gTMP5_gelzA7rNyBrhf7h6mMn6N6YLFNWNaFXu$> > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-chen-bier-frr%2F&data=04%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C5d3cb8163c7f4a1557e608d8e86c408f%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637514898966623524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=797z0ndM2IahVL2y9xPoY%2BOU5x4%2F3w1FaSWfoF%2BC6pQ%3D&reserved=0 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fdatatracker.ietf.org*2Fdoc*2Fdraft-chen-bier-frr*2F&data=04*7C01*7Chuaimo.chen*40futurewei.com*7C2b86f5e805f04cf24c1008d8e89cdcd4*7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc*7C1*7C1*7C637515107733100045*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=koqOJ4RFqPhBPl81t259PjxeQ6TxmcdtMMqgC0XXDzQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!NEt6yMaO-gk!SBpWq7LIP13dlIX5P6U98cqIp8gTMP5_gelzA7rNyBrhf7h6mMn6N6YLFF8NiiJX$>> > > > > Please indicate your support or objection by March 30th, 2021. > > > > Authors, please respond to the list indicating whether you are > aware > > of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sandy (As WG secretary, on behalf of Greg/Tony) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org <mailto:BIER@ietf.org> > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbier&data=04%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C5d3cb8163c7f4a1557e608d8e86c408f%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637514898966623524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=aZ6%2BjQBpo7k81fqf%2FnYdfer7mS45RlhB0lPT7%2B%2BVm6I%3D&reserved=0 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.ietf.org*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fbier&data=04*7C01*7Chuaimo.chen*40futurewei.com*7C2b86f5e805f04cf24c1008d8e89cdcd4*7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc*7C1*7C1*7C637515107733110014*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=54DHmen2Kbqxu0LRWeuGlVBQbIepvbs1MqJHtfd6Wh8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!NEt6yMaO-gk!SBpWq7LIP13dlIX5P6U98cqIp8gTMP5_gelzA7rNyBrhf7h6mMn6N6YLFMxV4XUQ$> > > > > -- > Prof. Dr. habil. 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Michael Menth University of Tuebingen Faculty of Science Department of Computer Science Chair of Communication Networks Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de http://kn.inf.uni-tuebingen.de
- [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02 zhang.zheng
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- [Bier] 答复: WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… qinfengwei
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Yanhe Fan
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… LEI LIU
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Lizhenbin
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… zhangzhe (M)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Steffen Lindner
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Daniel Merling
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth