Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02

"Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net> Wed, 31 March 2021 12:51 UTC

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From: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net>
To: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>, "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" <gengxuesong@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
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Talking about originality and basic respect for the originality of the author:


  1.  When draft-chen was first presented, I pointed out that draft-merling was already there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuzdpgePomA&t=33m51s and suggested to have a combined draft
  2.  While draft-merling does not talk about LFA based, the authors and some vendors/operator discussed about LFA based FRR back in 2019.  Michael mentioned it in this email https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bier/VRYfB7S7g7xuooIwV9XQDAW56hU/, and it was already covered in their paper https://atlas.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~menth/papers/Menth20c.pdf (the link was in that email as well).
  3.  Out of respect to Michael/Daniel, from the first presentation of draft-chen to the beginning of this round of discussion, I had been referring to draft-merling and suggested to merge with draft-merling (not the other way)

Thanks.
Jeffrey

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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02

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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:04 AM Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com<mailto:gengxuesong@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi Greg,

I agree that Jeffery has quite rich experience in BIER WG and participates in ML discussions actively. However, I still think the answer of “who should be the author of the document” depends mostly on “who raises the idea and brings it to IETF”. This is a basic respect for the originality of the author.

Xuesong, fully acknowledged and originality of ideas overrides all other considerations and has to be documented clearly IME.  Nevertheless, IME as well, merged drafts (a very good thing here) benefit from clear author list and editorship, the earlier in the process the better lest too many feelings are hurt and unseemly wrangling ensues later. Especially, since AFAIS this one ends up being read a lot no matter its status or whether it really standardizes anything on the wire.

--- tony


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