Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Fri, 19 March 2021 10:43 UTC
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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:42:45 +0100
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To: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" <gengxuesong@huawei.com>
Cc: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>, BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>, "EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" <zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn>, BIER WG Chairs <bier-chairs@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02
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as parrticiapnt inline Hi Jeffrey, > > > > I just want to avoid mixing all the discussions together and getting back > again. Getting agreement to the following questions may be helpful (also > could be found in my previous comments): > > *1. **Is BIER FRR necessary? * > > (It has been discussed in the discussion of draft-merling. And it is > raised again. ) > > Zzh> Of course it is necessary. Nobody is questioning that. > > *2. **Is BIER FRR implementation dependent so not supposed to be > standardized?* > > (I think we all agree that fast reroute algorithms are kind of > implementation dependent without signaling. Being simple or rich depends on > the idea itself.) > > Zzh> How BIER FRR is achieved does not need standardization – that’s my > view for years. > splitting hair a bit. either info or experimental and then write code & present results & document. I would tend to have this ultimately informational probably since it documents implementatoin techniques and those are best not standardized albeit of high value. But I ain't gonna throw stones given el.g. base BIER architecture is pretty handsy as well talking about BIFTs and stuff already. ' > *3. **How to deal with 2 existing documents about BIER FRR?* > > ( It depends on WG. When I read these 2 documents, I find they are > reasonable and independent methods about implementing BIER FRR. They could > be considered to be adopted together) > > Zzh> I had explained my view on why a single merged informational document > is better. > I would prefer a single document on bier-frr as joined Menth and Xuesong draft with the single BIFT mode & possibly multiple (again, modulo technical comments on it right now) but it's up to the authros to sit down and od the work and drink some beer together if they choose. -- tony
- [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-frr-02 zhang.zheng
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- [Bier] 答复: WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… qinfengwei
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Yanhe Fan
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… LEI LIU
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Lizhenbin
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… zhangzhe (M)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Steffen Lindner
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Daniel Merling
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] WG adoption call for draft-chen-bier-f… Michael Menth