Re: [dnsext] Re: need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)

Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Tue, 26 October 2010 10:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)
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On 26 Oct 2010, at 04:39, Paul Vixie wrote:

>> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:46:35 -0700
>> From: Colm MacCárthaigh <colm@allcosts.net>
>>
>> Why doesn't that belong better in HTTP? The HTTP WG is probably  
>> better
>> placed to define whatever a "web error" is.
>
> if you get an nxdomain you won't be connecting to any web server  
> anywhere.

Not long ago Colm was in favour of using DNS to solve a web problem.  
Paul was advocating the opposite. Now it's the other way round for  
both. Oh, the irony... :-)

BTW, I thought NXDOMAIN had been overtaken by response rewriting these  
days?