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[dnsext] Re: need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Tue, 26 October 2010 07:21 UTC

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:19:26 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org
Subject: [dnsext] Re: need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:49:27AM +0100,
 Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk> wrote 
 a message of 27 lines which said:

> However, I know that in the UK (and other places) it's
> all-but-a-legal-requirement for consumer ISPs to block certain web
> content (in the UK child porn), and anyone sane does this partly at
> the DNS level.

Same thing in France with the (not-yet adopted) LOPPSI law, which
mandates chinese-style filtering. I'm not sure that it will be "sane"
to do it in DNS rather than BGP (the law does not specify a technical
mean, just a goal) but, anyway, DNS lies by the State will become a
reality and I don't think we can standardize a "Do not abide by the
law" bit :-{

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