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Re: [dnsext] need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)

David Ulevitch <david@ulevitch.com> Wed, 27 October 2010 16:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] need new flag bit in EDNS, "do me no favours" (DMNF)
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Roy Arends <roy@nominet.org.uk> wrote:
>
> The end-game will be applications doing their own resolving. Real control.
> No third party dependencies. No favors to ask.
>

Agreed (and previously predicted).  And a few days ago, it happened to Chrome:

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=60149

"Provide facility for users to set the DNS resolver to use. This will
bypass the system DNS resolver, and will require improvements to
Chrome's in-browser DNS cache."

If it sits between the User and an Advertisement, Google wants to own it...

-David

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