Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc4641bis-01.txt

Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz> Tue, 21 April 2009 14:56 UTC

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At 13:03 +0200 4/21/09, Shane Kerr wrote:

>The whole idea of offline storage for the zone itself is so fantastical

An artifact in the DNSSEC concept stemming from the days when DNSSEC 
was discussed in the Security Area of the IETF.  Fantastical is a 
good word.

>It might be more useful to recommend HSM - or at least encryption - for
>private key data. I didn't see any references to this, and AFAIK
>everybody does it (or feels guilty for not doing it).

I can't rationalize a justification of HSMs for DNSSEC.  I mean, 
outside of "doing it because we can say we do it" I think it is 
overkill (in some environments), and feel more guilty spending money 
on something I see as window dressing.

This comes from the observation that the contents of the database 
sourcing the zone (whether a commercial-like database or a vi'd file) 
are more critical than the private key.  (If) They are sufficiently 
protected and I'll just keep the private key behind the same 
fortifications.  So, what does an HSM add?

(Really, I'd like to know...;))

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