Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-vixie-dns-rpz-04.txt

bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> Mon, 19 December 2016 09:39 UTC

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From: bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com>
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:24:33AM +0200, ac wrote:
> when there is an RFC that describers how to lie and then adds
> deception, this is no longer something to negotiate or to discuss much.

By this token any firewall is censorship and lies. Yet we still use them.

We have also documented ways to distribute blackholing via BGP for the
specific purpose of silencing traffic.

You don't stop something from happening by saying a standard is theft. 

So please realise this is something that people need. Best that they do it
in a standardized fashion.

> Is it okay to publish a draft defining a protocol on how to steal a resource? 
> or maybe defining a protocol for phishing? 

It is very much a protocol against phishing. 

	Bert