Re: [Ecrit] IETF ECRIT Design Team on Premature Call Termination

["Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Ted, 

>I do not believe we have WG consensus on that document; John 
>Hearty had comments on it, as did Keith Drage and James Polk 
>(at least judging by the thread "Let's make some decisions 
>regarding draft-rosen-ecrit-premature-disconnect-reqmts", 
>which is the only one discussing I find in my personal 
>archives).  None of those seems to have been addressed; nor 
>have the comments I made on the issue in Dublin.  These were 
>minuted, and Hannes copied the relevant minutes to the list 
>under the title "Premature Disconnect (feedback from the meeting)".

We don't have consensus on
draft-rosen-ecrit-premature-disconnect-rqmts-00.txt
We are going to discuss the feedback to that document (during the past
IETF meeting) and also those posted to the list. 



>
>Is the design team, then, going to work with Brian to settle 
>the requirements?  Because if we don't have consensus on the 
>requirements, the design team seems to have a hard row to hoe.

My plan was to start with the terminology. When we know what we will
look at the requirements. 
After we understood the requirements then we will report back to the
group and figure out what todo next. 
If we come to the conclusion that the requirements are not
accomplishable or that we have all the necessary tools already then we
next steps are easy.

Does this help?

Ciao
Hannes

>			regards,
>				Ted
>
>
>
>> It was:
>>when on an emergency call, a caller hangs up the call before the call 
>>taker is finished acquiring enough information.
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] 
>On Behalf 
>>Of Henning Schulzrinne
>>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>To: Hannes Tschofenig
>>Cc: 'ECRIT'
>>Subject: Re: [Ecrit] IETF ECRIT Design Team on Premature Call 
>>Termination
>>
>>I agree with Ted's concerns. In particular, "premature call 
>>termination" has never been defined precisely and many of the 
>fears are 
>>based on the old single-line physical phone model which just don't 
>>apply here. Carrying forward notions that apply to black phones with 
>>rotary dials just seems unhelpful. In particular, the topic 
>is strongly 
>>connected to call-back and should not be treated in isolation.
>>
>>Henning
>>
>>On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> we had a chat with Jon on how to make some progress on the 
>subject of 
>>> "Premature Call Termination" and here is the plan we came up with:
>>>
>>> * We delete the sentence that talks about the UAC not generating a 
>>> BYE request in 
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-05.txt
>>> We progress the document through the IETF process as "planned".
>>>
>>> * At the same time we create a design team in ECRIT to work on 
>>> "Premature Call Termination".
>>>
>>> Depending on the progress of the design team we are able to 
>>> incorporate the results of it into the document (even at a fairly 
>>> late stage of the document process). If the design team does not 
>>> produce results then anything that comes out of it can be 
>seen as an 
>>> extension to the Phone BCP document.
>>>
>>> We need members for the design team! We have already received the 
>>> commitment of folks from NENA but we also need some guys from the 
>>> ECRIT group. Who is interested in participating?
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes & Marc
>>>
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