Re: [Ecrit] IETF ECRIT Design Team on Premature Call Termination

"Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com> Tue, 07 October 2008 06:35 UTC

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From: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com>
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I just had to give the topic a name. I selected this one since previous
discussions used this term. 
I am happy to pick a different name for the DT. 

We will obviously go through the terminology first; Brian's doc is the
starting point. 

Ciao
Hannes
 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] 
>On Behalf Of ext Henning Schulzrinne
>Sent: 06 October, 2008 21:27
>To: Hannes Tschofenig
>Cc: 'ECRIT'
>Subject: Re: [Ecrit] IETF ECRIT Design Team on Premature Call 
>Termination
>
>I agree with Ted's concerns. In particular, "premature call 
>termination" has never been defined precisely and many of the 
>fears are based on the old single-line physical phone model 
>which just don't apply here. Carrying forward notions that 
>apply to black phones with rotary dials just seems unhelpful. 
>In particular, the topic is strongly connected to call-back 
>and should not be treated in isolation.
>
>Henning
>
>On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> we had a chat with Jon on how to make some progress on the 
>subject of 
>> "Premature Call Termination" and here is the plan we came up with:
>>
>> * We delete the sentence that talks about the UAC not 
>generating a BYE 
>> request in 
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-05.txt
>> We progress the document through the IETF process as "planned".
>>
>> * At the same time we create a design team in ECRIT to work on 
>> "Premature Call Termination".
>>
>> Depending on the progress of the design team we are able to 
>> incorporate the results of it into the document (even at a 
>fairly late 
>> stage of the document process). If the design team does not produce 
>> results then anything that comes out of it can be seen as an 
>extension 
>> to the Phone BCP document.
>>
>> We need members for the design team! We have already received the 
>> commitment of folks from NENA but we also need some guys from the 
>> ECRIT group. Who is interested in participating?
>>
>> Ciao
>> Hannes & Marc
>>
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