Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP

Janet P Gunn <jgunn6@csc.com> Sat, 13 November 2010 14:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP
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> On 11/11/10 12:43 PM, "DIAZ VIZCAINO, LUIS MIGUEL (LUIS MIGUEL)"
> <luismi.diaz@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >    Just a different approach. Think in a traffic jam. I know it 
> would be nice
> > to live in a wonderful world with no jams, but they happen. Know 
> compare you,
> > going back home from work, and an ambulance with someone dying inside.
> > Everybody gets away to let ambulance drive first. And that's OK.
> > 
> >    Now think on Internet. You are playing a Real-Time game and 
> your neighbours
> > are just downloading files. They can afford some amount of traffic 
loss
> > (+delay/jitter) since TCP retransmisions will do the trick (just will 
take a
> > little longer to get the job done) while you cannot afford losing
> > (+delaying/jitterin) your traffic because if it happens, your opponent 
will
> > blow you away from the arena. That's the point, all traffic flows 
> are NOT the
> > same and need different SLAs.

I think your analogy is completely backwards.  Yes, everyone gets out of 
the way of the ambulance,
because the ambulance is more important.

But the real time game is NOT more important than downloading the file 
that contains the 
information on how to turn off the flow of the natural gas pipeline when 
there is an explosion.

What you are proposing in your analogy is not that "everyone should get 
out of the way of the ambulance", 
but that "everyone should get out of the brand new Ferrari so it can race 
with the Maserati." 

Janet