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Re: [ietf-smtp] Possible cont4ibution to moving forward with RFC5321bis SMTP

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Mon, 30 December 2019 02:44 UTC

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To: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Possible cont4ibution to moving forward with RFC5321bis SMTP
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On 12/29/19 9:31 PM, John R Levine wrote:

>> So they're not subject to outside scrutiny.  No wonder email delivery 
>> is so unreliable.
>
> Aw, come on.  They have a billion users who vote with their feet if 
> they're unhappy.

Sure, because changing email addresses (or services, for those who have 
their own domain names) is easy for everyone.

But yes, my response was a bit flippant. I do acknowledge that there's a 
kind of expertise that people who deal with large volumes of traffic on 
a daily basis, have, that others generally do not have.

> Nothing personal but I cannot imagine why someone running a large mail 
> system would care what you or I thought of their filtering scheme.  
> They have way more data than we will ever have.

I'd be curious as to their measurement methods, but I suppose those are 
also kept secret.

Keith

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