Re: https at ietf.org

Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@besserwisser.org> Thu, 07 November 2013 08:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: https at ietf.org Date: Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 09:11:01PM -0800 Quoting Ned Freed (ned.freed@mrochek.com):
> > Subject: Re: https at ietf.org Date: Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 06:52:45AM -0800 Quoting ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com (ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com):
> 
> > > Encouraging the use of our work - our standards - is exactly the issue here.
> > > You're trying to impose privacy requirements on a use-case where they simply
> > > don't make sense.
> 
> > Given this years revelations in the privacy field that is a statement I find slightly bold.
> 
> You'll have to explain the connection then, because I don't see it. We're
> talking about refusing to allow unprotected access to public standards
> documents. That's the use-case in question; nothing else.

Since it is perfectly innocent to perform this fetching, the Government(s)
need not be privy to this -- and we should encrypt. The trust that the
Government(s) will only tap the traffic of those that are a grave concern
to their security interests has completely vanished.

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