Re: https at ietf.org

[Måns Nilsson <[e-mail]>]

Subject: Re: https at ietf.org Date: Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 06:17:14PM +0000 Quoting t.p. ([e-mail]):
> 
> Our Introduction says
> "The IETF is completely open to newcomers."
> Well, open to those who have an adequate level of technology and that we
> should keep as low as is practicable.  Demand something more - TLS, CMS,
> IMAP etc - and you will start to cut people off from our work.
> 
> Keeping what you are doing hidden, from your boss, the police, the
> government, your family etc, that comes second.

Not everyone are in a position to regard this as secondary. There have
been several good arguments about the usefulness of privacy when accessing
open sources. In Sweden, libraries do not keep logs about who borrowed
what after the books have been returned, and ISTR a case where the
library refused to divulge what information they had to the police unless
a warrant was served.  Because it is nobody's business except mine what I
read.  The IETF, its documents and mailing lists is not exempt from this.
Several of the revelations about government surveillance have concerned
industrial espionage. Keeping track of who reads what is definitely a 
tool in the mapping of interesting activities. 

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/Måns, publically taking a position because the world is still free
  enough to do this.
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