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"Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu> Mon, 23 November 2009 17:44 UTC

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:44:42 -0500
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
To: Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:16:49 -0500
Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:

> Simon Josefsson allegedly wrote on 11/23/2009 5:03 AM:
> > John-Luc said he is bound by confidentiality obligations from his
> > company, and I think the same applies to most employees of larger
> > organizations.  There is nothing explicit in BCP 79 to protect
> > against this apparent conflict of interest, or is there?
> 
>    Since disclosure is required
>    for anyone submitting documents or participating in IETF
> discussions, a person who does not disclose IPR for this reason, or
> any other reason, must not contribute to or participate in IETF
> activities with respect to technologies that he or she reasonably and
> personally knows to be Covered by IPR which he or she will not
> disclose.
> 
Precisely.  The conflict Simon mentions was of course known to most of
the WG; that's one reason we have that clause.

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