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Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

"Scott Lawrence" <scott.lawrence@nortel.com> Thu, 19 November 2009 11:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)
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On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 19:02 -0700, Cullen Jennings wrote:
> On October 8, the IESG approved the registration of application/3gpp- 
> ims+xml Media Type.  On Nov 2, RIM filed an IPR disclosure related to  
> this at
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1219/
> 
> The associated patent, filed Oct 2008, is at
> 
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=Mk7GAAAAEBAJ
> 
> and the related draft is
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bakker-sipping-3gpp-ims-xml-body-handling

Quite aside from the question of what the IESG should do about the
registration, my reading of this patent finds nothing novel.  Almost all
the claims (including the first one, upon which all others are based),
are essentially just claiming invention of multi-part mime, which
predated the application by several years.

Is there (should there be) a mechanism whereby the IETF or one of our
more corporate parents can file some challenge to the patent having been
issued?

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