Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "IETF work is done on the mailing lists")
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Wed, 28 November 2012 15:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "IETF work is done on the mailing lists")
From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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> we do not have adequate guidance for either WG chairs or participants on > when it is generally appropriate to adopt a draft as a WG document. ... > It seems to me that these variants are dependent on the people in the WG, > the workload of the group, the chairs, past precedent, AD preferences, etc. > It makes it difficult on both draft editors and those seeking to follow the > discussion for there to be such a disparity from WG to WG on when to adopt > drafts. I'm not convinced that there is a one-size-fits-all solution here, but it > might be nice to coalesce a little from where we are today. > > So I wonder if perhaps we need clearer guidance on what the process is > actually supposed to look like and why. Let's start with a basic point and work from there: There is no formal process that involves "adopting" anything. Working group chairs appoint document editors (this is in RFC 2418, Section 6.3). There is nothing anywhere that specifies how the first version of a WG document is formed. One mechanism could be that the charter says that the WG will develop a Lightweight Modular Network Operations Protocol, so the WGCs say, "We appoint Wes George as the document editor for the LMNOP doc." Wes then goes off and creates draft-ietf-xyzwg-lmnop-00 based on discussion so far, or even based on his own opinion of a good start for the protocol spec. Discussion ensues and Wes makes changes based on the discussion, because, being a good document editor, he knows how to make the document reflect what the WG wants. A couple of issues are contentious, and the WGCs handle the evaluation of consensus for those, and Wes incorporates that. In the end, the WG as a whole thinks that the document accurately reflects WG rough consensus, and the chairs request publication. Another model is that two or more people submit candidate documents, and the WG decides which one is the best starting point. That's where "adoption" comes in. From there, the rest of the process goes the same. However we get to the -00 document, as long as the rest of the process goes the way it's supposed to, we're fine. We seem to have settled into a culture of starting with individual submissions and "adopting" them, but there's nothing that requires that, and for documents where there's not significant contention between radically different starting points, there's probably no need for it. So, yes, the chairs get to decide how they want to seed the document development process, and they have a pretty free hand in making that decision. Your ADs are always there for further guidance if you need or want it. But there's no formal process for that, and I think that's how we want it to be. Barry
- When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "IETF … George, Wes
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Brian Trammell
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Barry Leiba
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Adrian Farrel
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Geoff Huston
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… George, Wes
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Barry Leiba
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Melinda Shore
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… SM
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Randy Bush
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Adrian Farrel
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Geoff Huston
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Spencer Dawkins
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… George, Wes
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Melinda Shore
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… SM
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… SM
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… George, Wes
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Dave Crocker
- RE: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… SM
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Barry Leiba
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Dave Crocker
- Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Dave Crocker
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Melinda Shore
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Dave Crocker
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft SM
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Randy Bush
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Randy Bush
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Randy Bush
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Melinda Shore
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Arturo Servin
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Melinda Shore
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft (off-top… SM
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Russ Housley
- RE: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Adrian Farrel
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Dave Crocker
- Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft Melinda Shore
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: When to adopt a draft as a WG doc (was RE: "I… Abdussalam Baryun