Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

Dave CROCKER <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Thu, 22 July 2010 00:22 UTC

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On 7/21/2010 5:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

>>> b) the IETF has no employees
>>
>> Well, again, there's a formal correctness to that statement and a practical
>> incorrectness.
>
> We come close - from BCP 101
> The IASA consists initially of a single full-time ISOC employee, the IETF
> Administrative Director (IAD), who is entitled to act on behalf of the IASA at
> the direction of the IAOC.

I thought that the tRSE (or iRSE, or whatever the first letter is) also 
qualifies in practical terms as an employee of the IETF (and, yes, I realize 
it's a short-term contract, but I continue to hope we aren't trying to be overly 
clever or precise here.)

>>> c) the IETF signs no contracts
>>
>> I was under the impression that the IAOC now signs the event contracts. But
>> perhaps that's not correct.
>
> ISOC signs any such contracts.

ahh.

We certainly live with some complicated arrangements...


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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
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