Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Possible OBF question -- I18n)

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Thu, 31 May 2018 18:05 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:51 -0400
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Subject: Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Possible OBF question -- I18n)
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Hi,

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 9:51 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> I could see a "joint development" collaboration between the IETF
> and some other SDO(s) working together and cross-checking each
> other's work --not merely cross-area, but cross-SDO-- but that
> IETF has never been able to pull one of those off before and,
> AFAIK, has never expressed much interest in doing so.  Even if

I disagree. I was co-chair of the joint IETF/W3C XMLDSIG WG which I
believe was reasonably successful.

Thanks,
Donald
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> we went that route, we might need a different review mechanism
> than throwing a spec into the air with an IETF LC and seeing
> what came down.
>
>     john