Re: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflict with referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02)
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Subject: Re: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflict with referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02)
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Douglas Otis wrote: > The "opt-out" of PRA is actually "opt-in" using the > "spf2.0/pra ?all" record. No, the PRA spec. claims that you "SHOULD" get PRA for a pure v=spf1 policy, and if you don't want PRA for whatever reasons you have to "opt-out" from PRA with a dummy spf2.0/pra policy. That's "opt-out" like the opt-out-doubleclick cookie, "don't- call-me" lists, and similar schemes. Of course the SPF spec. says that checking other mail identities (not limited to PRA) against v=spf1 without the prior and explicit consent of the v=spf1 publisher is NOT RECOMMENDED. > These concerns were expressed here: > http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg05502.html It's almost a year older and also known as "Olson objection". From my POV it was always obvious, I used a cute 2476 MSA with "enforced submission rights" (6.1) and a Sympa mailing list in 2004, and both would result in PRA FAIL for legit mail from me if checked against my v=spf1 policy (IIRC set up in May 2004). Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-0… Julian Mehnle
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Ned Freed
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Dave Crocker
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Douglas Otis
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Andrew Newton
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Andrew Newton
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Andrew Newton
- RE: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Sam Hartman
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Thomas Gal
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Bruce Lilly
- Is it necessary to go through Standards Track to … C. M. Heard
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Scott W Brim
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Dotzero
- RE: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Jeff Macdonald
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Douglas Otis
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Pekka Savola
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… william(at)elan.net
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Dick St.Peters
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Julian Mehnle
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Dick St.Peters
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… william(at)elan.net
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… Sam Hartman
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Appeal: Publication of draf… william(at)elan.net
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Bob Braden
- Re declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informational John Levine
- Re: Re declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informatio… Dave Crocker
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Re declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informatio… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Re declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informatio… John Levine
- Re: Re declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informatio… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: declare SPF and Sender-ID to be Informational Frank Ellermann
- Individual submissions and Informational RFCs wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Sam Hartman
- Re: Individual submissions and Informational RFCs John C Klensin
- Re: Individual submissions and Informational RFCs Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Individual submissions and Informational RFCs wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Sam Hartman
- Last call IETF experiments (was: Appeal ....) Frank Ellermann
- Re: Last call IETF experiments Frank Ellermann
- Re: Last call IETF experiments (was: Appeal ....) John C Klensin
- Re: Last call IETF experiments Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Douglas Otis
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… wayne
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Keith Moore
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Douglas Otis
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… william(at)elan.net
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… Douglas Otis
- Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-co… william(at)elan.net
- SES or BATV (was: Publication of draft-lyon-sende… Frank Ellermann
- SES vs BATV Douglas Otis
- Re: Last call IETF experiments Sam Hartman
- Re: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in… Douglas Otis
- Re: Last call IETF experiments Frank Ellermann
- Re: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in… Frank Ellermann