Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
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> On Feb 20, 2021, at 6:09 AM, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:58:29PM -0300, Fernando Gont wrote: >> On 18/2/21 21:36, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> So, my thought (and it belongs on this thread OR the 'IPv6 addressing: Gaps?' one) is something like: >>> >>> We should abolish, delete, expunge and deprecate the word "scope" from all IPv6 documents. It clearly doesn't have an agreed meaning, so it is worse than useless. >> >> FWIW, wfm. :-) > > Seconded. > >> (Modulo: the multicast folks do use "scope" in a more "successful" way, >> IIRC?) > > Their definitions are at least somewhat more clear on what a "scope" is - > send a packet to that address, and this is how far it will get. Well, yes and no… Most of the scopes that are defined have extraordinarily variable meaning: Admin-Local Site-Local Organization-Local However, yes, Interface, Link, and Global are well defined even though it is common for people to fail to grasp the difference between interface-local and link-local. I will, however, argue that link-local scope is well defined as a scope for IPv6 addresses in fe80::/10. > In practice, how much IPv6 multicast is there which is not "node" and > "link" scoped? Or, to be even more picky, not "link" scoped? A lot less than there should be. Owen
- Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… John Kristoff
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Yucel Guven
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- RE: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering