Re: [Mtgvenue] Was Brisbane a success to be repeated ?

Maybe it's "people who have been coming to the IETF from Australia have been subjected to the travel pain you just noticed for the last twenty years; let's spread it out a tiny, tiny amount."


> On 26 Mar 2024, at 09:13, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> 
> The asians i asked in general liked it because of much lower TZ differences.
> But also observed lower attendance and hence potentially lower productivity of course.
> 
> I was primarily wondering if there was a formula like "we needed X more 'locals'
> to show up than outside of australia, that's our criteria for success".
> 
> Cheers
>    Toerless
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 02:16:15PM +1000, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> 
>> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>> Sorry if subject question was asked and answered elswhere/earlier, please
>>> provide pointers to summary thereof. If not:
>> 
>>> Who will atually determine if Brisbane was a success to be repeted, and if so how ?
>> 
>> LLC+IESG.
>> 
>>> Btw: I very much enjoyed Brisbane, but i was privileged in having to fly in only
>>> from a location (SFO) that had a direct connection of <= 14 hours, whereas colleagues
>>> from further east in the Americas and of course in Europe did report total travel
>>> times even in excess of 30 hours. And i also managed to attach vacations to make
>>> the travel very much worthwhile. And i do collaborate a lot with folks from east asia,
>>> who of course also had a good presence.
>> 
>> I travelled for 38 hours.
>> That included some dumb layovers in Toronto and a really long in Vancouver,
>> probably as a result of the Dreamliner incident that Air NZ had two weeks
>> ago.
>> The flight from Toronto to Vancouver was actually the least pleasant of the
>> three.
>> 
>>> That's especially why i would like to understand best how much effort the IETF puts into
>>> deciding for this type of locations and especially how it will justify it to those for
>>> whom it was inacceptable due to these travel issues.
>> 
>> Endless discussion.
>> 
>> I think that the right people to ask are the asians.
>> Was the trip from Tokyo or Nanjing or India significant more pleasant for you
>> than when we for instance, meet in Prague or Philadelpha/Montreal?
>> 
>> Clearly, it is unpleasant for Europeans and east-coastians to get to
>> Australia (or Bangkok).  But, it's also unpleasant for Australians to get to
>> Montreal.
>> 
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-                      *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
> 
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