Re: [Mtgvenue] Was Brisbane a success to be repeated ?

Sure, don't disagree. But I think we have to recognise that it may just be the case that the Internet can't solve every problem or replace every human activity.

I'll show myself out...

> On 26 Mar 2024, at 11:53, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark, forgive me for pushing back on your pushing back, but (I think?) we get that. We know it's easier to get stuff done in the hallway track. That's why I flew to Brisbane. And it played out exactly that way, as it always does.
> 
> My question is, do we know why this is, and is there anything we can do about it?
> 
> Maybe that's not the IETF's job, I dunno, but it's really quite ironic that the organization that actually invented the Internet hasn't solved this problem yet. To be fair, I don't think we should be asking the secretariat to solve it. Like, we shouldn't be saying "hey, IETF, make the hallway track work online." I think that it might be useful though for us to actually work on this.
> 
> We had a really good bar BoF about this shortly before the pandemic. We didn't come anywhere near consensus. But I think it was a good discussion, and I wonder if we shouldn't have more of them.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 8:38 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot=40mnot.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> > On 26 Mar 2024, at 10:59, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I would support this also being modified to "2 f2f 1 fully online or
> > online-mostly" and then after a few years "1 f2f and 2 fully online or
> > online-mostly" and by personal preference I suspect it's where I'm
> > heading anyway. If we formalised it, we'd be able to reduce some costs
> > to the org, because we'd be in smaller venues with less overhead. I
> > also believe we should be pruning the WG and doing less in parallel,
> > for less long, less days. (I am not entirely stupid and I know
> > wielding the chopper will be very unpopular)
> 
> I'm going to push back on this, a bit. 
> 
> I'm also involved in the W3C, which has two major meetings a year. Granted, one of them is a bit smaller / more administrative, but it's very noticeable how much harder it is to build relationships, maintain them, and make spontaneous progress there. 
> 
> The hallway track is important; socialising the group is extremely important. This can't be done online, unfortunately, and I don't see any way to realistically do it; notably, the attempts to replace it were the biggest failures during COVID.
> 
> Just food for thought...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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