Re: [Mtgvenue] Was Brisbane a success to be repeated ?

Mark, clearly you guys just need to report this issue to the Australian
government so that they can do something to ameliorate the situation. E.g.
could Australia perhaps be moved a little closer to everyone else? I have a
friend in Melbourne I'd like to visit more than once every ten years!

(FWIW, I think there are people in Africa who either attend and would chime
in on your lament, or simply don't attend because they can't).

Being slightly more serious, I will once again harp on my assertion that
the IETF really needs to figure out how to more effectively use the
Internet to do what we currently only seem to be able to do well in person.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 6:55 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot=
40mnot.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Maybe it's "people who have been coming to the IETF from Australia have
> been subjected to the travel pain you just noticed for the last twenty
> years; let's spread it out a tiny, tiny amount."
>
>
> > On 26 Mar 2024, at 09:13, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> >
> > The asians i asked in general liked it because of much lower TZ
> differences.
> > But also observed lower attendance and hence potentially lower
> productivity of course.
> >
> > I was primarily wondering if there was a formula like "we needed X more
> 'locals'
> > to show up than outside of australia, that's our criteria for success".
> >
> > Cheers
> >    Toerless
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 02:16:15PM +1000, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >>
> >> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> >>> Sorry if subject question was asked and answered elswhere/earlier,
> please
> >>> provide pointers to summary thereof. If not:
> >>
> >>> Who will atually determine if Brisbane was a success to be repeted,
> and if so how ?
> >>
> >> LLC+IESG.
> >>
> >>> Btw: I very much enjoyed Brisbane, but i was privileged in having to
> fly in only
> >>> from a location (SFO) that had a direct connection of <= 14 hours,
> whereas colleagues
> >>> from further east in the Americas and of course in Europe did report
> total travel
> >>> times even in excess of 30 hours. And i also managed to attach
> vacations to make
> >>> the travel very much worthwhile. And i do collaborate a lot with folks
> from east asia,
> >>> who of course also had a good presence.
> >>
> >> I travelled for 38 hours.
> >> That included some dumb layovers in Toronto and a really long in
> Vancouver,
> >> probably as a result of the Dreamliner incident that Air NZ had two
> weeks
> >> ago.
> >> The flight from Toronto to Vancouver was actually the least pleasant of
> the
> >> three.
> >>
> >>> That's especially why i would like to understand best how much effort
> the IETF puts into
> >>> deciding for this type of locations and especially how it will justify
> it to those for
> >>> whom it was inacceptable due to these travel issues.
> >>
> >> Endless discussion.
> >>
> >> I think that the right people to ask are the asians.
> >> Was the trip from Tokyo or Nanjing or India significant more pleasant
> for you
> >> than when we for instance, meet in Prague or Philadelpha/Montreal?
> >>
> >> Clearly, it is unpleasant for Europeans and east-coastians to get to
> >> Australia (or Bangkok).  But, it's also unpleasant for Australians to
> get to
> >> Montreal.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
> >> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-                      *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
> >
> >
> >
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