Re: [Mtgvenue] Was Brisbane a success to be repeated ?

Indeed, Mark. But i am sure even those from Australia want to weight convenience
with the benefit of meeting the most collaborators. So it's really a difficult balance.

Btw: i am quite happy if IETF goes to such places with known lower local attendance
every e.g.: 3 years or the like, so i didn't start the process to complain, but primarily
because i was wondering what the IETF decision process is and why maybe there wheren't
more questions in the survey about it.

Cheers
    Toerless

This is true, Mark. 
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 09:53:03AM +1100, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> Maybe it's "people who have been coming to the IETF from Australia have been subjected to the travel pain you just noticed for the last twenty years; let's spread it out a tiny, tiny amount."
> 
> 
> > On 26 Mar 2024, at 09:13, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> > 
> > The asians i asked in general liked it because of much lower TZ differences.
> > But also observed lower attendance and hence potentially lower productivity of course.
> > 
> > I was primarily wondering if there was a formula like "we needed X more 'locals'
> > to show up than outside of australia, that's our criteria for success".
> > 
> > Cheers
> >    Toerless
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 02:16:15PM +1000, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >> 
> >> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> >>> Sorry if subject question was asked and answered elswhere/earlier, please
> >>> provide pointers to summary thereof. If not:
> >> 
> >>> Who will atually determine if Brisbane was a success to be repeted, and if so how ?
> >> 
> >> LLC+IESG.
> >> 
> >>> Btw: I very much enjoyed Brisbane, but i was privileged in having to fly in only
> >>> from a location (SFO) that had a direct connection of <= 14 hours, whereas colleagues
> >>> from further east in the Americas and of course in Europe did report total travel
> >>> times even in excess of 30 hours. And i also managed to attach vacations to make
> >>> the travel very much worthwhile. And i do collaborate a lot with folks from east asia,
> >>> who of course also had a good presence.
> >> 
> >> I travelled for 38 hours.
> >> That included some dumb layovers in Toronto and a really long in Vancouver,
> >> probably as a result of the Dreamliner incident that Air NZ had two weeks
> >> ago.
> >> The flight from Toronto to Vancouver was actually the least pleasant of the
> >> three.
> >> 
> >>> That's especially why i would like to understand best how much effort the IETF puts into
> >>> deciding for this type of locations and especially how it will justify it to those for
> >>> whom it was inacceptable due to these travel issues.
> >> 
> >> Endless discussion.
> >> 
> >> I think that the right people to ask are the asians.
> >> Was the trip from Tokyo or Nanjing or India significant more pleasant for you
> >> than when we for instance, meet in Prague or Philadelpha/Montreal?
> >> 
> >> Clearly, it is unpleasant for Europeans and east-coastians to get to
> >> Australia (or Bangkok).  But, it's also unpleasant for Australians to get to
> >> Montreal.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
> >> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-                      *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
> > 
> > 
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