Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix is normative
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Mon, 02 October 2017 11:05 UTC
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:05:04 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Cc: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>, netmod@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix is normative
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Lou, the conclusion is that we add RFC 2119 here and there but I disagree with the notion that normative text needs RFC 2119 language, i.e., that text that does not use RFC 2119 language is not normative. See the pointers to the RFCs that I have provided. Now you want to make this even a rule for all future WG docs so I strongly oppose to that. /js On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 06:39:35AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: > Benoit, > > I think this and related topic was closed with the conclusion of sticking > with 2119 language for normative text in current and future WG docs. We > certainly can add this sentence as well. > > Lou > > > On October 2, 2017 5:11:20 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > To avoid any confusion, just clearly mention it. > > "This appendix is normative | informative" > > No need to debate for hours on this. > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:06 PM > > > > > > > On 9/14/2017 12:36 PM, t.petch wrote: > > > > > Appendices are Normative if they say that they are Normative. The > > > > > default is that they are not so say that they are and they are. > > > This is > > > > > well established practice. > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > My memory (I haven't checked recently) is there is nothing in or > > > > defined process that says if an Appendix is normative or not. Other > > > > SDOs certainly have formal definitions here. Within the IETF, my view > > > > has been that if an appendix includes RFC2119 language, it is > > > > normative. Actually, strictly speaking, any text in a Standards Track > > > > RFC that doesn't include RFC2119 language is just informative. > > > Lou > > > > > > Try RFC4910. > > > > > > ' This appendix is normative.' > > > > > > and not a SHOULD or a MUST in sight. > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > . > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? module n… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Benoit Claise
- [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] ietf-routing or i… Lou Berger