Re: [Rfced-future] Fwd: [IAB] I18ndir last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 01 March 2022 19:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Fwd: [IAB] I18ndir last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11
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On 02-Mar-22 08:15, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
...
> Well, we could tweak it as follows:
> 
> OLD
> 
>      *  Voting on approval of policy documents produced by the RSWG shall
>         be delayed until the vacancy or vacancies have been filled, up to
>         a maximum of 3 months.  If during this 3-month period a further
>         vacancy arises, the delay should be extended by up to another 3
>         months.  After the delay period expires, the RSAB should continue
>         to process documents as described below.
> 
> NEW
> 
>      *  Voting on approval of policy documents produced by the RSWG shall
>         be delayed until the vacancy or vacancies have been filled, up to
>         a maximum of 3 months.  If during this or any subsequent delay
>         period a further vacancy arises, the delay period should be
>         extended by up to another 3 months.  After the delay period
>         expires, the RSAB should continue to process documents as
>         described below.
> 
> But this would introduce the possibility of an infinite delay period,
> which seems suboptimal even if highly unlikely.

Which iirc is exactly why we decided on the current text. I don't
agree with the proposed change.

    Brian