Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)

Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net> Tue, 01 December 2015 23:49 UTC

Return-Path: <martijn@lapsedordinary.net>
X-Original-To: shutup@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: shutup@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4421B2AAD; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:49:53 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.079
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rv5tCX-qw37G; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:49:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.lapsedordinary.net (thinksmall.vps.bitfolk.com [85.119.83.85]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE431B2AAB; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:49:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail.lapsedordinary.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49B0B343FE; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 23:49:51 +0000 (UTC)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=lapsedordinary.net; s=mail; t=1449013791; bh=20V2cjOezqFDyAOmZvq6AXHwrkU56Pwnd+xxo3//PJQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=tVuYUaKpk/4wBt25PG0GTOFg256AqyZ6g3gk79FplxdeN3GGcqsQn//t0HBhktFE3 4wiBDlWa3p2JsNe6roL7xqHNjsJdQiG48tgF+cbtQKRD5VhwfQdsbc0tHEqmVPYMXu WZ7nkzWCNy0zY+gcCCtssuQoVOGhcyInOMrweReM=
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:49:51 +0000
From: Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net>
To: ietf-smtp@ietf.org
Message-ID: <20151201234951.GA8176@lapsedordinary.net>
References: <20151130042819.10658.qmail@ary.lan> <1448858775386-ceecd236-8b11ac04-a03b4438@fugue.com> <01PTPUIP3IUK01729W@mauve.mrochek.com> <11d014e5-9a6a-4b78-92a1-8e0a1e0a905d@gulbrandsen.priv.no> <lGTaHvC8ygXWFAuu@highwayman.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <lGTaHvC8ygXWFAuu@highwayman.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/shutup/cxRaygdLrqSDUz-gvf9cPZdGC3s>
Cc: shutup@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for the "SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy" WG (fwd)
X-BeenThere: shutup@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: SMTP Headers Unhealthy To User Privacy <shutup.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/shutup>, <mailto:shutup-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/shutup/>
List-Post: <mailto:shutup@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:shutup-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/shutup>, <mailto:shutup-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:49:53 -0000

On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 09:10:20PM +0000, Richard Clayton wrote:
> If you want to have very limited data in your email header fields then
> you should look at the systems that you operate yourself and clean up
> the information at that point. You'll probably get a poorer delivery
> experience when sending to MAGY and others -- but that's your tradeoff.

Sure, making such changes on your own is probably going to hurt more                                                                                                                                                                          
than it helps. Which seems a good argument in favour of some kind of                                                                                                                                                                          
RFC, or at least a WG discussing whether one is needed.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Martijn.