Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting
Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@gmail.com> Fri, 09 November 2012 16:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting
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Brian, Thanks for the clarification, very very useful. Regards, as On 09/11/2012 11:42, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > > I'd like to note that in general, WG acceptance processes are a critical > part of IETF processes. > > In particular, the WG consensus on adoption, is the one critical place > in preventing "gaming the system". > > An adoption call should have three (or four) responses: > > Ready for Adoption > Needs more work BEFORE Adoption > Should not (never) be adopted > Abstain/don't care > > The "needs more work" is the way that WG participants can hold > authors/editors accountable for making requested changes. > > If a draft is accepted in its current state, then any promises by the > authors to make changes are much like promises by politicians during > election campaigns - not worth the paper they are written on. > > However, if the WG insists on changes BEFORE adoption, the reliance on > promises goes away - which is a good thing. > > Any discussion on the content of a draft, which is prompted by a WG > adoption request, SHOULD be taken by chairs as "Needs more work BEFORE > Adoption". > > Since this does not seem to have been the case, please ask the WG to > answer one of the four ways, explicitly. > > BTW: > > I believe that this draft should not be adopted in its current form (if > ever). > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr >
- [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-gra… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Terry Manderson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… George Michaelson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Terry Manderson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Terry Manderson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Carlos M. martinez
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Montgomery, Douglas
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Carlos M. martinez
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… SM
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… John Leslie
- Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki… George, Wes