Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> Wed, 22 November 2017 21:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
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Den 2017-11-22 kl. 17:20, skrev Bernard Aboba: > On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> wrote: > >> What we want is an indication that the user is prepared / desires to have the view of a speaking person in video. > The problem is that a written/spoken tag in video is ambiguous because it could also represent a desire for captioning. So there is a need to distinguish spoken from written language. We have not had consensus on how to do that, in general. Bernard, We had a reasoning yesterday that it is so unusual to provide text in a conversational video call in the video media stream that we could leave that usage undefined (it was used as mixed into the video image from the sending side in the early 2000s, and it is also possible to send text coded text elements in RFC 3640 MPEG4 video coding for presentation in the receiving end, but the impression is that these methods are not used nowadays in conversational calls) That leaves the only practically used case for non-sign language in video media in conversational calls be for a view of spoken language. Randall introduced that view (about captions in video not being used in conversational calls) and I agreed. I know that is not total consensus, but there were at least not any declared conflicting views. There are use cases for the use of a view of a speaking person in video. It would be good if this reasoning makes you change your mind and check if we can have consensus for inserting the dropped sentence. If not, I will stop arguing for that and accept that we need to take the effort to define how to indicate this use case at a later stage. The rest of section 5.4 is good now and explicitly allows further work and application agreements. Gunnar -- ----------------------------------------- Gunnar Hellström Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se +46 708 204 288
- [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-negotiat… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström