Re: [81attendees] sucky Delta hotel network (and bufferbloat)

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 01 August 2011 21:44 UTC

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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [81attendees] sucky Delta hotel network (and bufferbloat)
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--On Monday, August 01, 2011 16:58 -0400 Jim Gettys
<jg@freedesktop.org> wrote:

>...
>   Would that someone
> would write up that configuration and publish it as a BCP: it
> would at least help other conferences and enterprises to do
> much better, while we sort out the home router mess which
> needs other AQM algorithms, as yet untested.

Looking on the bright side, we have an important window of
opportunity here.  Most of those el-cheapo home routers/beacons
are going to need forklift upgrades to run IPv6.  If, as Jim
suggests, we agree on what it takes to get things right and can
get the word out soon, we might just see a generation of
IPv6-capable devices with competent buffer and congestion
management.

   john