Re: [81attendees] sucky Delta hotel network (and bufferbloat)

Dave,

I didn't want to jump on this but I agree with your point.

QoS in providers today is used to prioritize packets for people paying a lot more than others for such things as VPN services.  The rest get usually extremely good "best effort" service as has been the case for most providers who have survived over the last decade or two (survived in some form or another, generous buyouts in the mid to late 1990s not withstanding).

There can be improvement.  Good to hear that there is interest again.  The bufferbloat discussion and work and the mention of transport area activity is a symptom of interest and activity regarding doing things better in the host, CPE, and access/edge devices.

Curtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 81attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:81attendees-
> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:25 AM
> To: 81attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [81attendees] sucky Delta hotel network (and bufferbloat)
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/3/2011 5:46 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > qos is about whose/which packets to drop.  i am not paid to drop
> > packets, i am paid to deliver them.
> 
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> Let's ignore capacity limits and congestion completely.  The knee of
> the curve
> is a waste of our efforts.
> 
> Think of how much simpler life would be if we paid no attention to
> downsides.
> 
> Armies would never give thought to retreat.  Armies are there to
> advance, not
> retreat.
> 
> Carry this further and they would not have to worry about soldiers
> getting
> injured.  Armies are for hurting the other guys, not getting hurt.
> 
> The medical profession would never have to worry about patients dieing.
> 
> Investors would never have to worry about the market going down.
> 
> Wouldn't it be great if a clever sound bit really did eliminate the
> need to
> worry about unpleasant realities?
> 
> d/
> 
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> 
>    Dave Crocker
>    Brandenburg InternetWorking
>    bbiw.net
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