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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Request to accept a new I-D into the WG work items

Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Fri, 09 November 2018 01:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Request to accept a new I-D into the WG work items
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On November 8, 2018 6:19:38 PM UTC, "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 3:53 PM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> > and maybe it can solve the "PSL problem" if we can constrain the
>problem
>> > space to just the DMARC issues instead of recreating the
>> > DBOUND-solve-for-all morass.
>>
>> This problem is simpler than DBOUND.  Looking up text policies is
>common
>> to a
>> handful of protocols.  A careful wording might make some statements
>> reusable in
>> general, even if the focus is kept on DMARC.
>>
>
>Sure, the DMARC case is half of what DBOUND tried to tackle.  If DBOUND
>had
>focused just on the DMARC use case, it would've succeeded.
>
>If possible, we should be careful to create a solution that's
>extensible to
>other use cases, not exclusive of them.  Reviewing what DBOUND tried to
>do
>might be very instructive here.
>
>-MSK

Independent of the current discussion about the new PSD DMARC draft, I think this would be a great idea.  

DBOUND was set up to provide, among other things, a specific input that DMARC needs.  The failure of that working group left DMARC with a hole in its design.  Operators use the Mozilla PSL as an ad hoc mechanism to fill that hole.

If we can actually solve the problem in a useful way, then that's great for DMARC.  I propose we add a second work item for this piece of work, since it's independent of PSD DMARC.  If no one else wants to define the work item, I can do it.

Scott K

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