Re: [dmarc-ietf] Request to accept a new I-D into the WG work items

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Wed, 07 November 2018 03:09 UTC

Return-Path: <superuser@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7B7127332 for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:09:07 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.999
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2WJMxMVX2xxB for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:09:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF27C128CE4 for <dmarc@ietf.org>; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:09:04 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id q6-v6so10419462lfh.9 for <dmarc@ietf.org>; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:09:04 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Y5mM9ihOzNfq68R+OlLV9TVXRZrHYX6QXK/Vp36oUuE=; b=HCXdq5/5ga+cSnM1xvY0FGk+n1oHsc4AhKdY7iAKiEWDoDbN4wV/dzYVG2GAoTSZTL ADRRPu7rBV6VwoDWn0SGTeujyv31QcyxD6P96xjJO4WLUNi/R1va/vhwbY6zzKxIbISG CNxJgnlBh/Sply8CFoPnysGkyCs78z8DoBHYBOwAgIqRSZWkHoMjCznpj9b6RyceEWqa 5IIoK6VltA9X1vvUIYYP0FsTjQaJz1oWHb4KzKYhz0c9RM7pRTVrXNnniGhcgC7ygUOD L0iUf2X/iS3+AOgOqJwE8+E3cfJ120U/c1rP93kKTVEdMBaDX0CJ5u8Yi1slH0UkaA2I djUA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Y5mM9ihOzNfq68R+OlLV9TVXRZrHYX6QXK/Vp36oUuE=; b=MO3jEQeq9jtjwHHIwZHInHtG7a6bXxO3g4PmfboKd5rgfA8vRlaUmppIPshbWWG9l0 ccG5i2vBnZxVJ9blPq5s3z5HC0lh5w91O7xDPYajm09FeKbtbtz/ydBmjIh2NS5UxKl0 gG6HHoiAz9FT7aaAv0OjiSIH9+LNQUwKcztDvzbYy33/qh1aOgNDDITUu69mMQowCtUl pUclc09M+vyrJiuwyoPl0FumLDlchiXhf4sOXUpYnSejUsJXuCG0IUyFm02LehUlBONs yDo2zhtEbXkkyggNCj0o/yV9vFewrh9Kv9v0xyuZXTOr4dT4jGQ5gIBJA39SR5Jxabbe lUBQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gI34nBUflhBWtiZKVoBrM2+l4xZTXnuiTYHCI3t2S2A/ZrJJs6i iyAUOC3K3GkllovqHf7jdAtq4VXwE5CkPdb89W4=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5c94iTpV+UH4WiFpb1O1V1geDSji7OhWrt8ETatxlUKL8OCxlLZ81utmIqGeZMGXxnNOCM2pEuD4lv59IO44+g=
X-Received: by 2002:a19:d9d6:: with SMTP id s83mr67840lfi.57.1541560142781; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:09:02 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CABuGu1o4E-Svt9N++RaFvO4SATt3Wh1w7gZb1OdBSVRCm7Odmg@mail.gmail.com> <CAC4RtVCQmV5agORght0XWr27kDD+OkaEZcKcaDtE8wLG0Yi-YA@mail.gmail.com> <dee0fd86-40e3-e01d-6c70-2f467759be8b@tana.it> <CABuGu1oyqtZYCZ6xde6Jq3Mc_0ABvOQ1HtVnT0BhAChN3ffmYA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CABuGu1oyqtZYCZ6xde6Jq3Mc_0ABvOQ1HtVnT0BhAChN3ffmYA@mail.gmail.com>
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:08:50 +0700
Message-ID: <CAL0qLwZXRD6jmbZDR+ETK+N3kW96i8mChaP1yHqsqnyzYw8T3Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: "<kboth@drkurt.com>" <kboth@drkurt.com>
Cc: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>, IETF DMARC WG <dmarc@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b5e45b057a0a70c4"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/nBOdYdzNCnMgTkhRB2V45gI5ATc>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Request to accept a new I-D into the WG work items
X-BeenThere: dmarc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Compliance \(DMARC\)" <dmarc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dmarc/>
List-Post: <mailto:dmarc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:09:07 -0000

My concern with this approach (which doesn't rise to the level of objecting
to its application as a WG document, though perhaps it should) is that it
is trending toward needing an IANA registry to be queryable in real-time,
and I don't believe they are equipped with the infrastructure to provide
that kind of service, nor is that likely to happen anytime soon.

-MSK

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 9:33 AM Kurt Andersen (b) <kboth@drkurt.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:17 AM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>
>>
>> Can we have a brief discussion on what exactly is the purpose of the I-D?
>>
>
> The intent is to allow the expression of a DMARC policy which would cover
> non-existent org domains under a "longest public suffix". Right now, there
> is no way to do that.
>
>
>> At a first glance, it seems an attempt to override the Public Suffix List
>> with
>> a IANA registry.
>>
>
> The IANA registry listing is to constrain which LPSs are exerting such
> claims and to prevent abuse such as happened a few years ago on web
> wildcards.
>
> --Kurt
> _______________________________________________
> dmarc mailing list
> dmarc@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
>