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Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving DNS

Olaf Kolkman <olaf@NLnetLabs.nl> Thu, 07 August 2008 19:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving DNS
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Bert,

Imagine a person that has spend considerable amount of time, money and  
energy in implementing DNSSEC in servers, tools and libraries; has  
'evanginered' DNSSEC for years in a consistently balanced way,  
recognizing that implementing DNSSEC is far from easy; and has  
provided multiple pieces of documentation. In other words a person who  
has put the money where the mouth is.

How would such person defend against being assessed to suffer from  
groupthink or tunnelvission?

Every word such a person would utter in defense would be to responded  
to as "That person has a vetted interest and is part of the  
groupthinking tunnelvisionaires".

These sort of remarks are not very helpful for constructive  
engineering and don't help to get the core of your message across:  
"Keep an open mind in alternative interim(?) approaches and work on  
making DNSSEC easier to operate"


--Olaf

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