Re: Additional filtering of responses
"Roy Arends" <roy@nominet.org.uk> Thu, 07 August 2008 16:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: Additional filtering of responses
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From: Roy Arends <roy@nominet.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:32:35 +0200
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Paul Vixie wrote on 08/07/2008 05:22:32 PM: > Re: Additional filtering of responses > > > 1) Stuff in the additional section. RFC2181. Understand why Masataka and > > Paul think it is very important, and worth bickering over. Just mentioning. > > first, we should not send, or if we receive, we should not cache or forward, > anything in the additional section that could be found using a new query. > this rules out all records except those referred to by NS RRs in an authority > or answer section, whose target names are at-or-below the NS RR owner name. What does the scripture say about the following, very small (see * below) response: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37612 ;; flags: qr aa; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;010a.example. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: 010a.example. 86400 IN A 192.0.2.9 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: example. 86400 IN NS 010a.example. ;; Query time: 3 msec ;; SERVER: 192.0.2.10#53(192.0.2.10) No glue. No additional section. Is the address record in the answer section cached? When cached, is 192.0.2.9 considered authoritative now for future lookups under example? Will that NS record ever expire if a query is send once a day ? With all scrubbing and additional filtering of responses, will this response cause a successful cache-(over)write of example NS records? No criticism about scrubbers and filters, just curious of what implementations do and what the protocol dictates. Roy Arends Nominet. (*) The wireformat of this DNS message is just 60 octets due to the use of compression pointers. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/>
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- Re: Additional filtering of responses Paul Vixie
- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Paul Vixie
- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Paul Vixie
- RE: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Jesper G. Høy
- Re: Additional filtering of responses Roy Arends
- Re: Additional filtering of responses Paul Vixie
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- Re: Additional filtering of responses Roy Arends
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- Re: Additional filtering of responses Tony Finch
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- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … bert hubert
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- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Federico Lucifredi
- Re: Additional filtering of responses Paul Vixie
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- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Paul Vixie
- Re: OFFTOPIC: DNSSEC groupthink versus improving … Paul Vixie
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