Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC
"Ralf Weber" <dns@fl1ger.de> Thu, 07 February 2019 13:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC
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Moin! On 7 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Shane Kerr wrote: > In theory one could send DoH queries to the server where you were > getting an HTML page from, for any names that need resolution on that > page. This would be a anti-DoC, indeed probably more decentralized > than DNS itself is today. > > If this model requires DNSSEC then it's not even that horrible, since > web server operators would not be able to spoof or hijack DNS names. That model is horrible as it removes the possibility for DNS being a central control point and pretty much every enterprise applications out there (split horizon). Even with DNSSEC the results could be horrible as the CDN view from a server might be way different then from a client. Please don’t go there. So long -Ralf —-- Ralf Weber
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