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Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Thu, 04 March 2021 11:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 11:44:11 +0000
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Cc: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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> On 3 Mar 2021, at 22:14, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
> 
> The problem is that there isn't an alternative to living with OFAC, because the Internet Society is incorporated in the United States and the IETF LLC is (a disregarded entity that is in some sense) a ypart of the Internet Society.  There are structural reasons why incorporating the Internet Society outside that United States is not a practical possibility either, but the reasons for this are probably best discussed on a list about the Internet Society rather than the IETF.

Incorporation in Switzerland, or running under the umbrella of the UN seems to be the approach that most truly neutral global players  take, and I wonder if IETF needs to seriously consider that.

The IETF are the technical custodians of a global utility, where access is now pretty much a human right, and yet we still seem to be subjected to a lot of control and constraints by the USG.

- Stewart

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